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mister said:
OK, good point.

I'm just saying that leading the market at one point doesn't mean it will be like that forever. Microsoft was on top for a long time and Apple looked doomed, now Apple is the most valued company in the entire world.
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Microsoft is still the largest provider of software, period. Valuation and market dominance do not correlate either, Apple has never held a majority in terms of software or hardware, period.

Apple was doomed then becasue they lost Jobs and now Apple is doomed again because once again they've lost jobs.

Past behaviour is the best indicator of future performance. Why do you think wall street gets so uppity about metric "beats"
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unclebob said:
now Apple is doomed again because once again they've lost jobs.
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Oh yeah, Apple is doomed...stocks rising to record heights and profits galore are sure signs of doom!! :D

Meanwhile, Samsung profits dropping like a rock, HTC bordering bankruptcy, Sony no where to be found, LG struggling with one phone, and cheap Chinese phones ruling Android...oh yeah, these are signs of great success!

Sorry had to put in my 2 cents after reading that hilarious comment....
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Thai said:
Oh yeah, Apple is doomed...stocks rising to record heights and profits galore are sure signs of doom!! :D

Meanwhile, Samsung profits dropping like a rock, HTC bordering bankruptcy, Sony no where to be found, LG struggling with one phone, and cheap Chinese phones ruling Android...oh yeah, these are signs of great success!

Sorry had to put in my 2 cents after reading that hilarious comment....
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I totally agree with you. Record sales and stock prices, and somehow they are "doomed?" Yea, right.

I think people somehow expect Apple to come out with a revolutionary product every year. That's impossible, and it doesn't mean that Apple is now failing because it didn't invent a teleportation machine or something this year.
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whats the last revolutionary product apple has invented since Jobs passed? they made the iphone bigger and ipad smaller. Bastions of innovation those are.

Sure if you want to use stock price as the metric but I never went there. Yes Apple makes money but my point is that they aren't innovating. This is the exact same playbook that got them in trouble during the late 80's early 90's. Double down on your success' and hold on for dear life.

FYI, I'm not in either camp, I prefer my Q10 (for its keyboard naturally)
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unclebob said:
whats the last revolutionary product apple has invented since Jobs passed? they made the iphone bigger and ipad smaller. Bastions of innovation those are.

Sure if you want to use stock price as the metric but I never went there. Yes Apple makes money but my point is that they aren't innovating. This is the exact same playbook that got them in trouble during the late 80's early 90's. Double down on your success' and hold on for dear life.

FYI, I'm not in either camp, I prefer my Q10 (for its keyboard naturally)
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I have moved the conversation to avoid diluting the previous.

Innovation is relative. Apple was first to bring ARMv8 chip to mobile that caught the mobile biz with their pants down. Apple Watch is quite innovative...it is far different from Android (crap)Wear. That is another category that will just grow and grow...conservative estimate is around 20-30 million. With China market as big as it is and how luxury-oriented that market is, Apple Watch will make a killing! What will Apple do with Beats Music? Streaming is the future. Headphones. High def audio projects...remember that rumor about Apple using Lightning port for high end audio? Why do you think Apple offered 128GB iPhones in an age where everything is in the clouds?? How about Apple in the business world (now that BB has been pushed out)? IBM and Apple now collaborating. Tons of possibilities there...and very profitable one too!

Apple is not like Google that gets its hands wet in tons of projects; most end up failing. Apple is very narrow and focused on what it does best. So, if you're expecting them to make 1000 innovations every year, then you're looking at it all wrong.
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mister said:
I think people somehow expect Apple to come out with a revolutionary product every year. That's impossible, and it doesn't mean that Apple is now failing because it didn't invent a teleportation machine or something this year.
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Exactly. What has the competition done lately? Absolutely nothing of value.
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Microsoft seems to be doing well with it's surface pro laptops, i've noticed a lot of people picking them up.
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