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I need your opinions and thoughts!

We are cross shopping a low optioned NX (target price around 35k with a few select options) with the new CR-V Touring (target price around 30k).

Which would you choose and why?
 

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I need your opinions and thoughts!

We are cross shopping a low optioned NX (target price around 35k with a few select options) with the new CR-V Touring (target price around 30k).

Which would you choose and why?
Quiet. Audio system.

Even though the new CRV is quieter than previous generation, it is still relatively loud compared to luxury vehicles.

Stereo on CRV is very ordinary, even the Touring system.

Now, CRV Touring does come with safety features not seen on NX...so, if you favor safety over all else, then get CRV. Remember, CRV is NOT safer structurally, just that it has more features to prevent a crash than a base NX.

But, if you want a luxury car, then NX is heads and shoulders above it.

Frankly, i am tired of Honda (and Toyota) service...service folks still try to screw people every chance they get at every oil change. I hate that. It puts more headache on my wife if she has to bring it in.
 

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Interesting.. thanks for sharing your thoughts!

What about size/cargo space? Space behind the second row is super important (we would be using at least 1 car seat, so folding down won't be practical in most cases). The specs show CR-V has almost twice as much space back there... but I wonder how much is vertical space because of NX's roofline? I don't see much point in extra vertical space, how much can you really stack everything on top of eachother? Now if there is actual extra width/length that's a different story.

I hear you on the service issues, but that sounds like something more dealer specific than a general brand characteristic. I'm sure there are awful Lexus dealers and great Honda dealers out there.
 

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I hear you on the service issues, but that sounds like something more dealer specific than a general brand characteristic. I'm sure there are awful Lexus dealers and great Honda dealers out there.
All Honda dealerships are like that! Most high end luxury dealerships are straight forward in pricing...and you do not have to haggle every oil change!!
 

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But that's expected when you consider the vehicles the both of them are selling and how that changes things. So it's expected that both of them are like that.

Might be better to compare the dealership experience of going to both honda and toyota dealers.
 

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But that's expected when you consider the vehicles the both of them are selling and how that changes things. So it's expected that both of them are like that.

Might be better to compare the dealership experience of going to both honda and toyota dealers.
Yeah, read my post again. The bad experience at these dealerships (Honda, Toyota, Subaru) is one of the main reason why i went with Acura (and considered Lexus). My local Acura is great...very straightforward.
 

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dbiegel,

If you haven't already, I suggest you read Motortrend's 2015 SUV of the year review. It may address points that are important to you. Happy motoring what ever your decision is.
 

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I appreciate all the responses. With some more research I ran into a bit of a wildcard: Acura is offering a pretty amazing lease deal on the RDX, basically $309 a month with $2,299 down, first month free. That equates to a 3-year total ownership cost of about $13k. For comparison, that's about 4k less (25% less) than an base NX lease, and I think significantly cheaper than leasing a CR-V Touring (can't seem to find lease pricing for that online). If you assume 55% residual value after 3 years, it works out to thousands cheaper over that time period than either a NX or CR-V Touring and don't have to deal with selling it at the end. Would never buy an RDX because it's due for a redesign but these numbers put it more around the price point of a mid-trim CRV which is very interesting.

Would love to get some more thoughts on these 3 vehicles pros/cons and what you would pick.
 

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You have kid(s), right? Note: RDX does NOT have rear AC vents!!!!!

The 2015 CRV has rear AC vents...remember, these SUVs are not small...on a hot day, your rear passengers could suffer.

I have 3 kids...and no rear AC vents is literally a deal killer for us, esp here in Texas.

RDX does have ELS audio system which is excellent, beating easily the Honda CRV audio and likely base NX.

Personally, i would rather get CRV over current RDX. Now, the new RDX next year (facelift) will be nice for sure...but you will pay more.

For your price range, i would look at : NX, CRV Touring, and Subaru Outback. (All 3 have rear AC vents.) :)
 

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Interesting.. thanks for sharing your thoughts!

What about size/cargo space? Space behind the second row is super important (we would be using at least 1 car seat, so folding down won't be practical in most cases). The specs show CR-V has almost twice as much space back there... but I wonder how much is vertical space because of NX's roofline? I don't see much point in extra vertical space, how much can you really stack everything on top of eachother? Now if there is actual extra width/length that's a different story.

I hear you on the service issues, but that sounds like something more dealer specific than a general brand characteristic. I'm sure there are awful Lexus dealers and great Honda dealers out there.
As far as cargo space goes, I made measurements of the cargo floor area. The Lexus has the biggest footprint behind the second row seats of the three vehicles you are interested in. It looses space at the roof line compared to the CR-V. PM me if you want the measurements. I tried to type a table and could not get the formatting right.:mad:
 

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Update: after viewing and test driving a bunch of vehicles including the Lexus NX and Honda CR-V Touring, we actually ended up getting a 2015 Subaru Outback 2.5i Premium fully loaded w/EyeSight.

We really liked the CR-V touring but I liked the new Outback with EyeSight tech the best out of all of the options. After test driving it, I felt it truly shined over the CR-V Touring in all the key areas such as ride quality, usable space (the cargo area is almost a foot longer than the CR-V -- and much more useful than a few extra inches in height! Cargo space specs are so misleading!), quietness, comfort, execution of controls and other details, much better AWD, better real-world MPG, and the next generation EyeSight system (only on the 2015 Legacy and Outback, not Forester) is absolutely amazing technology -- rated the best collision prevention of any automaker's system out there. Plus all the other great tech like MirrorLink, Blind Spot Detect, Rear Cross-Traffic Alert, Approach Detect, Adaptive Cruise that goes to 0 mph unlike the CRV's that only works at high speed... it even tells you if you're stopped at a light and the vehicle in front of you takes off and you're not paying attention... much better visibility throughout with transparent side mirror triangle area even... top crash test results in every way possible... etc etc. All in all it just totally impressed for the price point and I preferred it strongly to the CR-V Touring in most ways.

The Lexus NX was not for us. Everything about it comes across to me like someone in Lexus marketing said "do whatever you can to try to make it look sporty" without understanding all the consequences. It felt tiny inside to me even though it wasn't. Visibility poor due to the styling. Basically just came across as a lot less usable vehicle than the Outback or CR-V, for more money, and too many compromises that were made for style. Probably a great car for others but not for us with a young family.

Anyways thanks again for all the responses, they definitely helped us in our journey.
 

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Update: after viewing and test driving a bunch of vehicles including the Lexus NX and Honda CR-V Touring, we actually ended up getting a 2015 Subaru Outback 2.5i Premium fully loaded w/EyeSight.

We really liked the CR-V touring but I liked the new Outback with EyeSight tech the best out of all of the options. After test driving it, I felt it truly shined over the CR-V Touring in all the key areas such as ride quality, usable space (the cargo area is almost a foot longer than the CR-V -- and much more useful than a few extra inches in height! Cargo space specs are so misleading!), quietness, comfort, execution of controls and other details, much better AWD, better real-world MPG, and the next generation EyeSight system (only on the 2015 Legacy and Outback, not Forester) is absolutely amazing technology -- rated the best collision prevention of any automaker's system out there. Plus all the other great tech like MirrorLink, Blind Spot Detect, Rear Cross-Traffic Alert, Approach Detect, Adaptive Cruise that goes to 0 mph unlike the CRV's that only works at high speed... it even tells you if you're stopped at a light and the vehicle in front of you takes off and you're not paying attention... much better visibility throughout with transparent side mirror triangle area even... top crash test results in every way possible... etc etc. All in all it just totally impressed for the price point and I preferred it strongly to the CR-V Touring in most ways.

The Lexus NX was not for us. Everything about it comes across to me like someone in Lexus marketing said "do whatever you can to try to make it look sporty" without understanding all the consequences. It felt tiny inside to me even though it wasn't. Visibility poor due to the styling. Basically just came across as a lot less usable vehicle than the Outback or CR-V, for more money, and too many compromises that were made for style. Probably a great car for others but not for us with a young family.

Anyways thanks again for all the responses, they definitely helped us in our journey.
Glad that you picked up a Subie...i have a '12 in my garage that my wife drives. Really great cars with great FULL-TIME AWD system.

Subaru dealerships are like Hondas and Toyotas...treat customers like sacks of money everytime you visit them (from my experience). In fact, the service person at our local dealer did NOT know what a regular service per Owners Manual entails!!!! He just wanted to push my wife into the pricey service bundles. Dash rattle that they refused to fix bc they cannot "hear" it. :D

When it comes to getting a new car in the future, we will not be getting Subaru for 3 reasons: (remember this is for my wife)

1. Service expectations.
2. No auto locking of doors when shifting out of PARK or moving. Yes, it is easy to hit LOCK, but i want the car to auto-lock everytime. Why? Good in crash...but also to prevent car jacking at a stop light.
3. No service reminder. My wife has other things on her mind besides mileage and when to take it in. So, i become her service reminder. :)

The first 2 reasons are biggie. And unfortunately, 2015 is not the year Subaru adds #2 and #3 features to their list of features. :(
 

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Glad that you picked up a Subie...i have a '12 in my garage that my wife drives. Really great cars with great FULL-TIME AWD system.

Subaru dealerships are like Hondas and Toyotas...treat customers like sacks of money everytime you visit them (from my experience). In fact, the service person at our local dealer did NOT know what a regular service per Owners Manual entails!!!! He just wanted to push my wife into the pricey service bundles. Dash rattle that they refused to fix bc they cannot "hear" it. :D

When it comes to getting a new car in the future, we will not be getting Subaru for 3 reasons: (remember this is for my wife)

1. Service expectations.
2. No auto locking of doors when shifting out of PARK or moving. Yes, it is easy to hit LOCK, but i want the car to auto-lock everytime. Why? Good in crash...but also to prevent car jacking at a stop light.
3. No service reminder. My wife has other things on her mind besides mileage and when to take it in. So, i become her service reminder. :)

The first 2 reasons are biggie. And unfortunately, 2015 is not the year Subaru adds #2 and [URL=http://www.lexusnxforum.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] features to their list of features. :(
Thanks Thai. Interesting. I see what you mean about #1 . While the dealerships we visited weren't "sleazy" they did the usual attempts to upsell warranty/maintenance packages etc. (I declined them all) and I could see how I would need to watch my back when it comes to service. I typically go to independent shops that are top-rated on Yelp, but I haven't looked yet to see what's in my area. Fingers crossed that there's a good Subie independent for maintenance and that I don't have any warranty issues to fight over at the dealership.

For #3 , FYI - there's a very sophisticated maintenance screen on our model but I don't know much about it and can't find anything online. It had a grid of icons/labels for each of the major maintenance areas (tires, oil, etc.) that lights up based on what's due. I'm pretty sure they've got it now but it's undocumented and unmarketed. I'll have to play around with it to know more.
 
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